@biahi: this was official doctrine because you run into logistical issues resurrecting the pre-born into the womb. They changed that to “we don’t know how but Jehovah may come up with a solution” pretty recently, I would say late 90s, early 2000s after test tube babies and frozen embryos were common.
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Miscarriage myths amongst JW
by Anony Mous inso i am having these discussions about children etc and there are witness ties and family history in these discussions.
i got the feeling having this discussion that they seemed to imply somehow it was ‘the parent’s fault’ for having a miscarriage.
whether it was domestic violence, or the mother did something wrong themselves.
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Trump 'spiritual advisor' says Jesus never broke immigration laws
by SydBarrett inpaula white said, “yes, jesus did live in egypt for three-and-a-half years.
but he was not an illegal immigrant.
if he had broken the law then he would have been sinful and he would not have been our messiah.” well, there you go.
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Anony Mous
Well, yeah, Rome was pretty well known for its open immigration:
But in the fifth century the Romans lost control of the immigration process. Armies were sent to the Middle East to counter a hostile, newly invigorated Persia, leaving the West open. The Germanic tribes were allowed in, but once inside the empire they were not assimilated but retained their cultural and political identities, eventually combining to form armies within its borders that the Romans could no longer overcome.
(Peter Heather, The Fall of the Roman Empire, Pan Books, 2005, 158ff.)
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Miscarriage myths amongst JW
by Anony Mous inso i am having these discussions about children etc and there are witness ties and family history in these discussions.
i got the feeling having this discussion that they seemed to imply somehow it was ‘the parent’s fault’ for having a miscarriage.
whether it was domestic violence, or the mother did something wrong themselves.
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Anony Mous
Forgot all about the Bathsheba story, or the story where the priest gives basically an abortion (magic potion) to people that are under suspicion of adultery and if you are an adulterer, you have a miscarriage, if not the child survives. These weren’t backwater witnesses though, this is educated, relatively middle class in the city.
But looking through some of the articles, I can see where people may get the impression:
Note here that the extended story then basically says God killed the babyDivorce, unwanted pregnancy, sexually transmitted disease, loss of trust or respect—all of these may be the sad, unavoidable consequences of sin. Recall that even after forgiving David for his sins in connection with Bath-sheba and Uriah, Jehovah did not protect David from the disastrous consequences that followed - 2 Samuel 12:9-12
Or how about this gem:And Jehovah struck the child whom U·riʹah’s wife had borne to David, and he became sick …
On the seventh day the child died
In this particular case of David and Bath-sheba neither of them had a right to the child and so there was no injustice in their being deprived of it. Besides, as an uncircumcised, unnamed infant it had not as yet developed any personality pattern or consciousness so as to appreciate life.
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Miscarriage myths amongst JW
by Anony Mous inso i am having these discussions about children etc and there are witness ties and family history in these discussions.
i got the feeling having this discussion that they seemed to imply somehow it was ‘the parent’s fault’ for having a miscarriage.
whether it was domestic violence, or the mother did something wrong themselves.
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Anony Mous
Children, enemies (video on jw.org) from 25:00-25:30 you can see the governing body address children as enemies of God
Think about it - we're not born as friends of God.
Because we're born as sinful offsprings of Adam.
Actually if you think about it, we are born as enemies of god.
Sometimes you hear people say of a little baby, " look at that little angel".
But more accurate would be to say - "look at that little enemy of god." -
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Pinata's vs Birthday's - classic JW hypocrisy
by joey jojo ini vaguely knew that the pinata had some kind of pagan origin and i assumed that having a pinata at a jw party was frowned on by the b0rg.
however, despite its blatant pagan origins, apparently i was wrong.. the 22 september, 2003 awake states that the aztecs would smash a clay pot full of 'treasures' in honour of the god huitzilopochtli's birthday.
spanish missionaries simply switched the pot for the pinata during the christian conversion of the aztecs.
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Anony Mous
Birthday’s weren’t really celebrated in history, except for really rich or powerful people. Children’s birthdays originated in early 1800s Germany and spread. This was much similar to Christmas and other celebrations for kids, it practically was the Industrial Revolution that caused the practice to spread, suddenly people were wealthy enough and kids didn’t have to work enough to make it affordable.
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Miscarriage myths amongst JW
by Anony Mous inso i am having these discussions about children etc and there are witness ties and family history in these discussions.
i got the feeling having this discussion that they seemed to imply somehow it was ‘the parent’s fault’ for having a miscarriage.
whether it was domestic violence, or the mother did something wrong themselves.
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Anony Mous
So I am having these discussions about children etc and there are Witness ties and family history in these discussions. I got the feeling having this discussion that they seemed to imply somehow it was ‘the parent’s fault’ for having a miscarriage. Whether it was domestic violence, or the mother did something wrong themselves.
I knew my grandmother would express that and back in the day, that was kind of implied as well, but I thought that was mostly in the past. We never got the support we needed from the ‘elders’ but I always kind of put it on - well, they’re not experienced or trained to do grief counseling. But then now I’m hearing the same arguments still from a ‘younger’ generation, implications that it was something we must have done wrong.
I am just disgusted by the idea that in this day and age, somehow your kids die before they are born, it is because you sin and not some unknown or medical condition.
Anyone else grow up with that idea or stories you know in the same vein?
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What's a Good Question to Ask at the Door?
by NotFormer inthe jws haven't been to my door for a while, but i don't doubt that they'll turn up eventually*.
(i saw easter eggs in the supermarket yesterday, so "memorial" season is fast approaching 🙄).
what's a good question to ask, to get the ball rolling?.
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Anony Mous
Are you here for the orgy?
Seriously, unless you get some old geezer, you probably won’t find much substance anymore. They really flattened everything out to a few soundbites.
The times of “deep study” is over, what we knew as the “good” JW doesn’t exist anymore. You are basically a sales drone with a script, go off script and they will try to placate with a standard answer, ignore it, or even consider it a threat and hurry away.
I had one lady call my phone, within minutes she asked whether I was getting information from non-JW websites, she tried to pass it onto an elder, when I pressed her for her opinion, she said for more information to submit a request online and ended the call.
The people standing at the literature stand also have a scripted answer to any questions, want to know more, fill out the form on JW.org.
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144,000 + 1 kings
by moomanchu ini wonder why so many kings are needed for the millennial reign?
the almighty governing body says 24,000,000,000 people combined from those resurrected and the survivors of the big 'a' could make it into paradise.
that gives you 1 king for every 166,665 persons.
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Anony Mous
Where does the 24B come from? If nobody dies anymore, then over the first 1000 years alone we have so many people, you’d need to cover the entire surface of land with buildings stacking 100 stories high just to give them enough room to stand. If you didn’t do that, we’d each have space less than a skin cell to live on.
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A message from Barbara Anderson re: the health state of her hero, her husband, Joe Anderson
by jwleaks infrom barbara:.
my dear husband, joe anderson, has had very real problems with his short-term memory for at least a year which really worried me.
as his mental health deteriorated, i decided to have our local longtime physician talk alone with joe during an office visit last september.
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Anony Mous
Sorry to hear what you are going through is very tough. Make the best of the time you have left.
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What will happen to the Watchtower Religion now that Trump has Withdrawn from certain aspects of the United Nations.
by liam inso trump has signed an executive order to withdraw from the united nations human rights council, a refugee organization, some others parts as well and calls for a review of american involvement in funding of the united nations.
he said the united nations has not been living to its potential and they need to get their act together or just dissolve the organization completely.
he said america will continue to be a part of the un but it's tiring that the united states is the country that funds most of the monies and that can't continue.
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Anony Mous
The UN all but collapsed in the 90s with the wars in the Baltic where the UN would stand idly by while atrocities happened.
It is a forum for politicians to get some cheap wins and funnel trillions of dollars from rich nations to warlords and terrorists.
The UN is based in an international socialist ideal that you can centralize power into a superstate and arrange the affairs of the nations. It just doesn’t work like that.